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This poem is spillover from the June 1, 2021 Poetry Fishbowl. It was inspired by a prompt from [personal profile] janetmiles. It also fills the "Caretaking" square in my 6-1-21 card for the Cottoncandy Bingo fest. This poem has been sponsored by Anthony & Shirley Barrette. It belongs to the Shiv and Mercedes threads of the Polychrome Heroics series.


"Nourish All Those Things"

[Monday, March 21, 2016]

Shiv had just finished patrolling
the neighborhood for Boss Finn,
and it was still pretty early.

She was out and wouldn't
be back until the afternoon.

He found Fred in the living room,
shuffling through some flyers for
various Mercedes restaurants.

"What's up, Couch?" he said.

"I'm trying to find a safe place
to get lunch," Fred muttered.

"Oh," Shiv said. "Yeah, I can
see why that's a touchy topic."

A few weeks ago, someone had
served Fred a salad contaminated
with meat, and it made him sick.

"It shouldn't be this hard just
to find safe fuel," Fred grumbled.

"Food is not just fuel," Shiv said. "Food
is about family, community, and identity. We
nourish all those things when we eat well."

Fred sighed. "I remember when that
was the case for me," he said. "I thought
I was doing okay with vegetarian food,
but last month ... kind of shook me up."

"Can I cook something for you?"
Shiv offered. "I cook for soups
a lot, friends and family, plus
I have teleporters following me
around like cats chasing a tuna can."

He didn't often offer to help people,
but he enjoyed cooking and for
whatever reason he liked Fred.

Sometimes Shiv surprised himself
with how much he had changed
just over the last couple of years.

"I wouldn't want to be a bother, and
I was thinking of a cold lunch," Fred said.

"So, I could make a salad," Shiv said.
"What kind of stuff do you eat? I know
you're vegetarian, but like human food
or whatever capybaras eat or both?"

"A combination of both," Fred said.
"Mostly fresh vegetables and fruit,
grains, some edible grasses ..."

"That doesn't sound too hard,"
Shiv said. "We could fix something."

"Capybaras are water lovers," Fred said.
"They live in marshes near lakes or rivers,
and they eat wetland plants or nibble twigs.
The wedge head lets them push through
dense thickets and sort through the plants.
Sometimes I like to pick through food, but
it's hard with everything flat on a plate."

"Hmm," Shiv said. "I've got an idea.
If I could find a way to stand things up,
and bunch together several different foods,
would that be something you'd like to try?"

Fred tilted his head. "That does sound nice."

"What sounds nice?" Zipper said as
he ambled into the living room.

"I'm making a stand-up salad
for Fred, and he's willing to try it,"
Shiv said. "You wanna help me
shop for ingredients? I know we
don't have everything I need here."

"Sure, grab hold and let's go,"
Zipper said, holding out an arm.

"Let me check the kitchen first,"
Shiv said. "That'll give me
a better idea what I need
to buy and what we have."

"Whenever you're ready,"
Zipper said, following him
into the kitchen to browse.

Shiv jotted down a list of
foods that were long and thin,
including some wetland plants.

The kitchen had asparagus,
of course, but that was it.

Shiv needed craft supplies,
too, for the presentation.

"I'm ready," Shiv said.
"Couch, we're heading out."

They went to a big market first,
where Shiv found lemongrass
and bright pink organic roses.

Aidan had barley grass and
timothy grass growing in pastures,
and all of his land was organic.

There was even a stand of
cattails by a spring, so Shiv
gathered some of those too.

Then they went to the Recycle Bin
for more supplies and workspace.

They made it back to the house
a little before lunch time.

Zipper went to sit with Fred
while Shiv puttered around in
the kitchen arranging everything.

"Okay, come and get it," he called.

The table was set with a bowl of salad
to share, made from a bed of mixed leaves
with asparagus, lemongrass, cattails,
and rose petals scattered on top.

A bottle of raspberry vinaigrette sat
nearby, the same pink as the roses.

Fred's setting had a concrete block
painted white with a blue china pattern,
its two holes filled with glass pebbles
of blue and white to hold the stalks.

There were bunches of timothy
and barley grass, asparagus spears,
cattail leaves, and lemongrass bulbs.

Big pink roses still on the stem made
a vivid contrast against the green.

"Oh," Fred said. "It looks delicious."

Shiv grinned and waved him
to the table. "Well, dig in."

"It's so ... can I take
a picture?" Fred said.

"Why?" Shiv wondered.

"I would like to share it with
other primal soups," Fred said.
"Sometimes we have a hard time
finding the right food. You didn't
just make a salad, Shiv, you made
a new style of serving dish and
a whole different presentation."

Shiv shrugged. "Anyone could
have done that. Go ahead."

"Yes, but you're the one who
actually did it," Fred pointed out,
then snapped several pictures.
"Thank you. This helps a lot."

Then he dug into his lunch,
narrow muzzle easily pushing
through the dense plants, bending
them aside with surprising dexterity
to pick out the ones he wanted.

Shiv drowned his salad in
raspberry vinaigrette and
started eating. There were
enough crisp and juicy things
that he didn't mind eating
a few leaves along with them,
but he'd sort of picked out
the best parts with the tongs.

"This is quite good, Shiv,
thank you," said Zipper.
"I really like the rose petals.
I think rosewater would
dress up the vinaigrette."

Shiv thought about it. He'd
had things with rosewater at
Indian and Middle Eastern places.

"Yeah, I think you're right," he said.
"That goes well with fruity flavors."

Fred was making happy little sounds,
humming and snuffling and grunting
as he nosed through his stand-up salad.

"I'm glad you like the food, Couch,"
Shiv said, grinning. "It's easy to do."

"You don't think eating this way
is ... too atavistic?" Fred said.

"Who cares?" said Shiv.
"I've pulled cattails out of
a ditch by hand and ate them,
just like the Omaha used to do.
Nobody calls that atavistic."

"Good point," Zipper said.

"Yeah, people just pick on
primals because it's easy,"
Shiv said. "They're idiots.
After all, everyone needs
to eat, and this is good food."

"I think this is a way to nourish
those things you mentioned
earlier -- family, community,
and identity," said Fred.

"Yes," Zipper agreed.
"Food brings us all together."

* * *

Notes:

"Food is not just fuel. Food is about family, food is about community, food is about identity. And we nourish all those things when we eat well."
-- Michael Pollan

Capybaras are herbivores, selectively feeding on favorite plants.

Many parts of the cattail plant are edible.

Edible grasses include Bent, Wheat, Slough, Brome, Crab, Switch, Canary, Timothy, Blue, and Bristle grasses. You can make grasses into a juice by grinding them up, but don’t swallow the fiber.

Barley Grass and Timothy Grass can be sprouted or juiced.

Lemongrass has a bright citrus flavor.

Asparagus has many health benefits.

Edible roses add color to a salad.

Flower arranging is fun to learn. A food-safe way of stabilizing stems is pushing them into a layer of glass pebbles. Concrete blocks come in various styles, of which the most common has two large holes.

Cinderblocks can be painted with china patterns using a stencil technique.

Food-safe paints should be used on planters that will grow food. Finding nontoxic paint can be a challenge here, but Terramagne has more options.

Wild salad can be made by foraging seasonal plants.

Edible flowers are popular in salads.

Enjoy a recipe for Rosewater Salad Dressing.

(no subject)

Date: 2021-07-20 02:42 am (UTC)
siliconshaman: black cat against the moon (Default)
From: [personal profile] siliconshaman

Heh... and now I'm thinking about some of the Primal soups on my roster. I don't think anyone's going to be too comfortable watching Desiree swallowing a mouse... and steak extra rare for the wolven ones could be.. um.. actually since it's New Orleans there's probably somewhere that does that.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 04:15 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>Probably not. But that doesn't mean viviphagous diners should get shut out of enhancements to the dining experience. They can always enjoy a meal in private, perhaps with a mouse-dispensing ball.<<

It may be possible for close friends and family to desensitize themselves.

(Think how people get used to things like medical procedures or odd behavior resulting from hardware/software brain issues.)

On a wider scale, private dining rooms, booths or screens may be a possibility. Along with a few ettiquite upgrades.

I did read a scifi once where an alien culture basically flipped the social rituals of eating and sex...so the human roomate couldn't eat in the dorm room, but was cheerfully invited into a threesome.

And there was another one where the new recruit was from a culture where you only ate in front of people if you were willing to share food...and after a week someone ordered her to eat in the dining hall to socialize. Fortunately a socially-savvy friend worked out a less-akward solution after the subculture issue was explained. (Solution was to eat in the corner with a few familiar people blocking line-of-sight.)

Also, there are a surprising number of human meat-based foods that are eaten live. TvTropes has a list.

>> and steak extra rare for the wolven ones could be.. um.. actually since it's New Orleans there's probably somewhere that does that. <<

You get different levels of who cares to WTF from different people. I figure rare steak is fine, so long as no one is forced to watch if they're uncomftorable. (Though I'd personally find someone having their face covered in blood to be disturbing at least the first few times.)

This conversation is actually reminding me of some fun dietary shenanigans I keep meaning to write into a story.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 05:05 am (UTC)
technoshaman: Tux (Default)
From: [personal profile] technoshaman
I did read a scifi once where an alien culture basically flipped the social rituals of eating and sex...so the human roomate couldn't eat in the dorm room, but was cheerfully invited into a threesome.

I remember a story along those lines. Nudity was no big deal, but everyone wore a bandana, and eating with someone else....

Not so much on eating other than finfish raw as far as moving things go, but I have been known to break out the cast iron and the coarse salt and whip up a nice blue steak for someone who was into that... (for them as wonder: Make sure the seasoning on your cast iron is in good condition. Get it _ripping_ hot, as in, nicely smoking, scatter the pan with salt, introduce room-temp really good steak to salted pan, wait, oh, 30sec or just long enough that the steak is no longer sticking, grab a handful of salt in one hand and the steak with the tongs you've got in the other, lift the steak, re-salt the pan, and put the steak back down unseared side down.... when the steak unsticks, serve it (ideally on a warm plate). )

Hands Ysabet a napkin, 'cause I know by now she needs one. ;)
Edited (missing)) Date: 2021-07-20 05:05 am (UTC)

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 06:08 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There's a /reason/ Sacred Hospitality (in all variations) crops up most often in scarcity cultures [deserts, wilderness, poor communities, minorities (of all sorts), and anyone shut out of traditional power structures...]

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 06:56 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>Of course, eating from a fresh kill is different. Then there's blood everywhere. It's still good while it's warm.<<

I'm sure I've seen photos somewhere of traditional culture dining, where everyone's chowing down on [literally] bloody fresh meat.

And there are also cultures (and some subcultures) where blood is eaten, either cooked or fresh. (I wonder if this would be a good way to combat iron deficiency?)

I might be able to get used to that, but I would likely be uncomftorable if it was unexpectedly sprung on me, at least the first few times. (And I am used to dealing with cultural differences, including things that in standard context are danger signals; i.e. "Don't do X; it's rude and will scare / anger / upset people.")

Also, I found the stories referenced above:

Lunch and Other Obscenities
https://archiveofourown.org/works/5205

Hold My Hand
https://archiveofourown.org/works/5745406

Also, while dietary [and many other cultural] conflicts can be akward, offputting or downright disturbing sometimes, it does help to if folk can retain empathy and good manners on both ends of the interaction.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 05:03 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>Then again, some prey-simulating experiences are common among humans as party entertainment, like bobbing for apples or eating candy on a string.<<

Some humans enjoy watching carnivores eat...which might become the opposite sort of problem. (No nonconsensual gawking, folks!)

But someone who enjoys falconry, or fox hunting, or is used to being around any sort of carnivorous animal will probably be somewhat more chill about primal's mealtimes. (Look at devoted pet parents, some hunters, and zookeepers, for starters.)

(no subject)

Date: 2021-07-20 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] acelightning73
A lot of the people who follow reptile YouTube channels ask for a feeding video - at the very least, it's educational to see how animals feed themselves. And, yes, it's also the human tendency to want to watch frightening scenes for a vicarious thrill. And Desiree can swallow a mouse whole, which is another "forbidden" spectacle. (I don't remember if she constricts her prey or not, but that would also be a spectacle.)

I'm sure that somewhere there's a steak restaurant that will serve extremely underdone meat, and even possibly raw meat (depending on health department regulations) upon request. All the vampire-wannabes, and folks who believe we should eat the way our non-tool-using relatives do, would find it appealing. (I like all my cooked food cooked thoroughly, and I sometimes have trouble getting a restaurant to cook my meat as much as I like - "somewhere between 'well done' and 'burnt beyond recognition' will do."

(no subject)

Date: 2021-07-20 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>And Desiree can swallow a mouse whole, which is another "forbidden" spectacle.<<

I'm reminded of the whole 'eat a live goldfish at the bar for free beer thing...

Desiree might also be chill with folk gawking while she eats, for pay or not (or videoed or not). She doesn't have human-typical emotional reactions, and charging to watch odd or daredevil behavior can be a nice moneymaker. (Eating live mice might get a video removed, however.)

(no subject)

Date: 2021-07-20 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>(I don't remember if she constricts her prey or not, but that would also be a spectacle.)<<

Someone should invent a fidget toy or 'fidget-chair' for constrictor snakefolk to use at mealtime...heated, padded, and with 'bones' inside to crunch.

I've seen cat toys with foil inside to make a nice crunch, and I've heard of snakes mistaking heating pads for warm-prey-with-bones.

Cat primals will likely prefer highly active hunting play before dinner, and some sort of grooming ritual afterwards. (And then perhaps a nap.)

Brainstorming compatible tech for non humans I'd fun!

Re: Yes ...

Date: 2021-07-21 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I would be open to more discussions of this sort; they're fun!

Also ettiquite and body language for different body plans, even within the same species.

I've occasionally heard of issues with different cat and dog breeds having unusual ears/tails, or different restrictions resulting from sexual dimorphism in humans, but not actually discussed as a whole concept. And writers [almost] always seem to use human body language.

And for ettiquite - well, imagine a species of eyeless (or differently-eyed) aliens, who eventually figure it's polite to paint on eyespots before going to talk to humans. Or explaining "Look dude, a knocking heads greeting with you will give me a concussion; how about a high-five? Or I could punch you on the head, humans are pretty good at punching."

Re: Yes ...

Date: 2021-07-22 02:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>Most humans consider looking, looking away, and ignoring people to be rude.<<

Some cultures vary this. It can also vary between class. And there are some contexts where ignoring people may be polite.

>>This is why cats gravitate to introverts...<<

Cat person, and I've explained this to coworkers, with the caveat that glaring at a cat will signal "Leave me alone!"

>>One interesting variation is that female-bodied people...<<

Also, women tend to carry stuff on hips, men on chests or shoulders.

And women move our torsos more smoothly when we walk...especially if we have noticable boobs.

And differences in walking b/c pelvic structure...though interestingly, trained dancers have less variation by gender in their walk.

[The gender terminology chosen is used b/c I have not observed folk with nonstandard sex/gender configurations enough to distinguish conflating variables of culturally gendered body language vs bio-mechanical restrictions.]

>>Depends on the context. You can pretty reliably distinguish good from bad anthropomorphic fiction or comics based on how well the author uses ear, tail, etc. body language.<<

I've been noodling ideas for body language for a hexamorphic species. Fortunately three of the morphs are basically humanoid, but the others get... interesting. (At least the faces are mostly the same.) So far I've looked at swans, rats, betta fish, and several types of mammals with mobile ears. (Add in cultural differences and it gets /really/ interesting.)

I've noticed that species with mobile ears tend to point with ears, much as humans tend to point with eyes. I think that would be a fascinating way to indicate "Hmm, interesting," or "Yeah, I'm listening."

Semirelated, I know we have wheelchairs for quadraped (look up dog wheelchairs) but I wonder how a species of quadraped could make a wheelchair that could be pushed by someone other than the user. Have two movers? Have it set so the pusher can rest their forelimbs on the device and push with hind limbs? A cart-and-harness setup?

>>My customary greeting in Wolf (look, look down, look up) is good enough that I usually get a response.<<

I can usually do fairly well with cats...though they are sometimes clearly just in it for the snacks!

(no subject)

Date: 2021-07-20 02:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I enjoyed this a lot. Shiv's stand up salad idea is going to spread like dandelions on the wind, I suspect. The cinderblocks painted with china patterns is a nice touch.

- Readera

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 04:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>:D Other folks may start producing things like that for primal diners.<<

Look at food toys made for pets and zoo animals. I know there are water fountains and several types of foraging toys for cats.

Note: some cats love ice in their water. This could theoretically be fancied up with a safe food dye, different-colored serving dishes, or novelty-shaped ice cubes. Look for those silica candy moulds they sell in craft stores.

You could also invent a cold meat soup/drink and use different flavored ice cubes. (And vegitarian versions are doable, too.)

Anything (food toys, etc) that looks good could be copied (in different material or scale if needed.)

Come to think of it, they also have setups so cats can use utensils...

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 06:24 am (UTC)
kengr: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kengr
Actually savory gelatins *are* thing, even though you don't see them much anymore.

So "jello" chunks (or molded shapes) in a liquid or sauce might work well for some.

Add some "bones" made out of something crunchy but not quite as hard as the real thing (and that doesn't splinter), warm everything to body temp, and you might have a "good enough" simulation of dining on fresh prey.

ps. I'm reminded of an old Readers Digest filler. A kid is presented with some jello for desert. He's never seen it before. And he just *stares* at it.

"Aren't you going to eat it?"

"I can't! It hasn't stopped moving yet!"

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 07:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>...and you might have a "good enough" simulation of dining on fresh prey.<<

I'm sure a good cook could figure out how to make a "simulated prey roast." Carrots or celery for bones, perhaps? Or fresh as a garnish, instead of cooked inside?

There was at least one guy who invented ways to cook (whole) mice as part of a science experiment [testing if wolves could survive hunting mice over the winter; and he had to test his theory on himself]. I'd also suggest looking up recipes for cooked Guinea pigs, rats, squirrels, rabbits etc...the bones won't shatter lie poultry bones, different meats add variety, and rodents* are likely cheaper and more satisfying than larger critters like cows.

*I know rabbits aren't rodents.

Also depends on the type of animal.

Cats would love something to chase and may enjoy plucking feathers (yes there were medieval feast dishes where the birds were dressed in their own feathers after cooking). The chase bit just means you need to play tag or something before dinner.

A snake might not care about chasing so much, but warm food would be delicious. And keep warm nonfood items (especially small ones) far away from the meal...yes, this includes human hands.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 11:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] acelightning73
It was Farley Mowatt who figured out that a large carnivore could survive on a diet of mostly mice - and that seasoning the gravy with backwoods moonshine alcohol made them a lot more palatable. This was in his book, Never Cry Wolf, which was made into a movie in the prior millennium.
Edited Date: 2021-07-20 11:34 am (UTC)

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That's the book, I think. I wasn't aware it had been made into a movie.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-21 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] acelightning73
That was how Mowat proved that wolves were not decimating the caribou population - the wolves were subsisting on field mice, which he proved were a sufficient food source for large carnivores. Although I suspect he might have preferred to eat caribou.

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>>You need something without fat or collagen, and that's hard to get and harder to make it taste good.<<

Tuna water or a meat broth? Possibly infused with herbs or some plant matter...a drink would have different requirements than a [literal] soup [dish].

I know they sell dried tuna flakes as well...I wonder if they (or other dried meats) could be brewed like tea leaves?

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hmmm...Look at Inuit cuisine for raw meat dishes, since their traditional diet is highly meat based.

There's even a kind of fermented meat dish that might be a good dish for scavenger primal soups to try.

(New tourist market, anyone?)

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 07:20 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
>> The cinderblocks painted with china patterns is a nice touch.<<

>> :D Other folks may start producing things like that for primal diners.<<

Try flowerpots. Lighter than cinderblocks, taller sides than bowls, but not so tall they'll fall over, can be glazed/decorated in many different ways, and much cheaper to buy/make than custom pottery. They likely won't tip over if filled with glass pebbles, though I'd reccomend pairing them with a plate or something underneath in case the vegetables drip water or juicer dressing.

Y'know, someone could do a recipient website for primal soups.

...also, I think Shiv might end up getting more followers, in addition to the teleporters. (If he and Genna teamed up they could come up with all sorts of nonstandard recipies...)

Re: Thoughts

Date: 2021-07-20 07:21 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
*recipie* not recipient

fred

Date: 2021-07-24 01:59 am (UTC)
starbit: a purple cat eye surrounded by black fur (Default)
From: [personal profile] starbit

is fred new? I don't remember seeing him before. if he isn't, can I request a link to his intro poem so I can read his description?

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