Remigration vs. Refoulement
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ysabetwordsmithI've seen a lot of vocabulary abuse recently.
Remigration is the voluntary return to country of origin. If it's not voluntary, it's not remigration. This term covers things like freed slaves moving from America to Africa, or Syrian refugees going back to Syria now that some of them deem it safe. We need this term for such purposes, which right now means defending it from people who use it wrongly.
Refoulement is the forcible movement of refugees from the place they fled to back to the dangerous place they fled from. This is what the American government has done many times, such as sending boats full of Jewish refugees back to Nazi-infested Europe during World War II or the current transfer of refugees back to their country of origin. Call it what it is and cite the historic comparisons, where we've got evidence of people dying because of it.
I have not seen a specific term for transferring captive people to a different country than they came from, which is not actually legal. Other than human trafficking, which it is, but is too vague to be really helpful there.
Also, notice the spread of ethnic-based nationalism? All the people expounding on that in America are white, which is to say, descended from ancestors who stole two whole continents by genocide. If anyone should be tossed out, it's them. But I doubt that England, France, etc. want their bigots back.
Remigration is the voluntary return to country of origin. If it's not voluntary, it's not remigration. This term covers things like freed slaves moving from America to Africa, or Syrian refugees going back to Syria now that some of them deem it safe. We need this term for such purposes, which right now means defending it from people who use it wrongly.
Refoulement is the forcible movement of refugees from the place they fled to back to the dangerous place they fled from. This is what the American government has done many times, such as sending boats full of Jewish refugees back to Nazi-infested Europe during World War II or the current transfer of refugees back to their country of origin. Call it what it is and cite the historic comparisons, where we've got evidence of people dying because of it.
I have not seen a specific term for transferring captive people to a different country than they came from, which is not actually legal. Other than human trafficking, which it is, but is too vague to be really helpful there.
Also, notice the spread of ethnic-based nationalism? All the people expounding on that in America are white, which is to say, descended from ancestors who stole two whole continents by genocide. If anyone should be tossed out, it's them. But I doubt that England, France, etc. want their bigots back.
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Date: 2025-06-16 11:08 pm (UTC)200+ years hasn't improved them it seems.
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Date: 2025-06-17 09:37 am (UTC)The minions were allowed to go into exile in Holland, where their religious views were predominant.
But they didn't want to be assimilated into some foreign church, they wanted to be in charge, so they managed to get passage to the new world and set up their own community where they were.
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Date: 2025-06-17 12:00 am (UTC)Thoughts
Date: 2025-06-17 12:40 am (UTC)Then again, they are stupid and probably don't know the meaning of words anyhow. That doesn't mean other people have to go along with it.
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Date: 2025-06-17 05:14 am (UTC)IIRC, the proper term is "rendition" - kidnapped and rendered to another country.
Rendition
Date: 2025-06-17 01:41 pm (UTC)The press is VERY CAREFULLY NOT using that word, no matter how accurate it is, whether for the naturalized journalist "deported" to a country where he was not born and jailed there, OR for the blanket shift of people to a convenient nation willing to accept American tax dollars to house these "deportees" without asking sensible questions.
Whether it happens to one or a hundred thousand, it is WRONG.
Refoulment is a terrible action, and I'd consider it criminal, at the very least, human rights violations, but the way that these news items are reported are very carefully spun to use "neutral" i.e., concealing, language to make the situation seem much less dangerous and aggressive than it is.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 05:16 am (UTC)The whole thing makes my blood run cold, with nightmares from lives past demanding attention.
The complicit press can sanitize it all they want, but anyone who is paying attention is upset. If you export the work of running concentration camps, you still are running concentration camps, just outside the country where lawyers can't affect things.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 09:32 am (UTC)I do recognize a lot of very concerning patterns.
Something else that bothers me is this collapse scenario:
* Some states want to protect immigrants and refugees.
* The federal government is in a mood to attack them.
* So the federal government threatens to withhold funds from sanctuary cities / states.
* Then the states threaten to withhold their taxes from the federal government.
It lays out a clear path of possible breakdown for government cohesion and functionality. After all, a society only works if people agree to do things together. When they stop being willing to do that, it comes apart at the seams.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 11:03 am (UTC)Title 9 funding has put TONS of pressure on school districts, only some of which has been effective. People still treat those funds as padding for their favorite (usually male) school sports teams.
In the scenario that you propose, just like the more familiar ones, there's no way for the people making these fiscal decisions to be held RESPONSIBLE for their behavior, in a timely manner. What happened to speedy fair trials.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 06:05 pm (UTC)Money insulates people from consequences. That's a problem, because then they have little incentive to behave decently. Plus the modern trend of things being done so collectively that there is no human being who can be held accountable at all.
>> in a timely manner. What happened to speedy fair trials.<<
Variously:
* People stopped caring about it.
* Not enough people wanted to do that kind of work.
* Various programs ran up the number of cases being pushed through, without an increase in people to process them. I've heard stories of people, especially those who aren't fluent in English or don't know their rights, being pushed through "trials" by the dozens that just amount to a judge rubber-stamping their "felon" status.
* More and more people attempt to solve things via lawsuit that used to be talked out in person. Many factors play into this, including but not limited to:
-- People move around more, so you probably won't be dealing with the same ones a few years later.
-- Far fewer people know their neighbors.
-- Decades of less actual childraising means lower social skills on average.
-- When people can't afford medical care, often the only way for something to get fixed is to force someone else to pay for it.
Meanwhile over in Terramagne, people do still care about things, and they have a bunch of things to manage the flow.
* People are expected and educated to solve their own problems as much as possible.
* If you can't, your first stop is usually a negotiation / mediation expert, not a lawyer.
* You can also get a police adjudicator if a law has been broken. This is often used if someone has made a mistake they want to fix, but you can also use that angle to formalize an agreement like "the neighbor kid broke a $2000 picture window and will spend the summer mowing lawns to pay for it." We've seen this with Turk and Stylet.
* There are many alternative justice programs to handle things like teen misbehavior, veteran malfunctions, immigrant / refugee issues, substance abuse, minor municipal violations, etc. This greatly reduces the number of cases in the legal system.
* So the courts primarily handle major cases, interstate issues, and incidents where the perpetrator is not sorry and refuses to work things out or make amends. We've seen this with Carl Bernhardt.
* Some cases are expedited. Pretty much anything involving superpowers is, because it's so hard to hold a soup against their will and resolving matters quickly also keeps the public calm. So are cases that involve people who don't live in the locale where it happened, like tourists. Anything boiling over in the news may also get expedited.
* And they have supervillains for backup, if the legal system fails to deliver justice. If you buy your way out of a severe traffic offense, some strongman may come turn your car into a small, metallic pancake.
* That's before getting into the slow evolution of soup justice with blue plates in America, the gentlemen's agreements in Italy, and how the Maldives is adding soups to their infrastructure overall.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 09:52 pm (UTC)Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-19 04:33 am (UTC)Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-19 04:43 am (UTC)Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 10:57 am (UTC)ICE agents just tried to arrest the NYC comptroller--who is a NATIVE CITIZEN, and thus doesn't fall under their remit at all. HE has a lawyer, the press' attention, and was out of custody in four hours. (Check CNN if you suspect that I've gotten my facts wrong. Then please tell me, if so.)
The parallels are so obvious I feel like I'm back in geometry class, struggling for a C.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-19 03:14 am (UTC)Well, it is.
>> ICE agents <<
Gestapo. And now we're seeing what I've told people for years: how they treat the most vulnerable is how they'd treat everyone if they thought they could get away with it. Now they do. They were always monsters; they just don't feel compelled to hide anymore.
And that's how we got the Schutzstaffel.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 08:37 am (UTC)So one thing anyone can do is point out what is wrong about this and why. In short, America is doing what Hitler and various drug cartels are infamous for: disappearing people.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-18 10:53 am (UTC)At least in prehistory, if I felt mistreated by my tribe to this extent, I could work up the nerve to walk to the next tribe's settlement and try to be accepted there. Now... not so much.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-19 03:09 am (UTC)I find it disturbing, but I don't feel any responsibility for it, since I have no authority over it. Humans have free will. So other people's poor life choices are their responsibility.
>> At least in prehistory, if I felt mistreated by my tribe to this extent, I could work up the nerve to walk to the next tribe's settlement and try to be accepted there. Now... not so much. <<
I miss that.
Everyone lives in large cages now. It's like serfs, minus the year-and-a-day escape clause. At least for now. But that's not going to last a great deal longer. Ten years, maybe, twenty at the outside; or it could turn any time now. Disasters send waves of refugees rolling around the world, and evetually, they will just plain overwhelm all the borders like rising ocean over a seawall.
Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-19 03:11 am (UTC)Re: Rendition
Date: 2025-06-19 03:44 am (UTC)