See my comment at the linked post, speaking as a blind screenreader user. I doubt it's actual blind/VI folks doing the dogpiling and the passive aggressive snarking, somehow.
Blind people, like others with disabilities, are commonly mistreated. And abuse survivors have a split response:
* "This sucks when people do it to me, so I want to make sure it never happens to anyone else."
* "I want my turn to hurt someone else the way I was hurt."
Since the former position tends to be considerably more common in most clusters of survivors, and dogpiling is also common, I suspect that most of the dogpilers have normal or near-normal vision while vision-impaired dogpilers would be the minority if present.
Actually, that would make an interesting study -- what is the proportion of trait-having people in accessibility arguments or endeavors? The higher the proportion, the more likely it will make improvements without causing problems; the lower the proportion, the more likely it will cause problems and the "improvements" will be helpy rather than helpful. I have a strong preference for trait-having people to decide how to solve problems, because other people doing it for them so often misses the mark. And hell, most disabled people are better at problem-solving than most abled people just because they have to do it all the time to get by in an abled world.
Darn right! As I've both heard it said by others and said myself, nothing about us without us.
If that study ever happens, re trait-having vs otherwise people in access arguments/endeavors, I so very want in on the reading, the active participation or both. I'd love to see the info there.
>> Darn right! As I've both heard it said by others and said myself, nothing about us without us.<<
Yeah, that's one of the most useful phrases ever.
>> If that study ever happens, re trait-having vs otherwise people in access arguments/endeavors, I so very want in on the reading, the active participation or both. I'd love to see the info there.<<
Thus linkned article also has some interesting g suggestions.
Notably, the difference in training for Protactile vs ASL interpreters reminds me of the difference between helping someone as adaptive equipment vs helping someone as a friend.
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Date: 2024-10-29 02:10 pm (UTC)Thoughts
Date: 2024-10-29 06:53 pm (UTC)* "This sucks when people do it to me, so I want to make sure it never happens to anyone else."
* "I want my turn to hurt someone else the way I was hurt."
Since the former position tends to be considerably more common in most clusters of survivors, and dogpiling is also common, I suspect that most of the dogpilers have normal or near-normal vision while vision-impaired dogpilers would be the minority if present.
Actually, that would make an interesting study -- what is the proportion of trait-having people in accessibility arguments or endeavors? The higher the proportion, the more likely it will make improvements without causing problems; the lower the proportion, the more likely it will cause problems and the "improvements" will be helpy rather than helpful. I have a strong preference for trait-having people to decide how to solve problems, because other people doing it for them so often misses the mark. And hell, most disabled people are better at problem-solving than most abled people just because they have to do it all the time to get by in an abled world.
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2024-10-30 12:07 am (UTC)If that study ever happens, re trait-having vs otherwise people in access arguments/endeavors, I so very want in on the reading, the active participation or both. I'd love to see the info there.
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2024-10-30 02:39 am (UTC)Yeah, that's one of the most useful phrases ever.
>> If that study ever happens, re trait-having vs otherwise people in access arguments/endeavors, I so very want in on the reading, the active participation or both. I'd love to see the info there.<<
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Date: 2024-11-03 03:46 pm (UTC)Notably, the difference in training for Protactile vs ASL interpreters reminds me of the difference between helping someone as adaptive equipment vs helping someone as a friend.
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