Story: "Hide and Seek" Part 8
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This story is a sequel to "Love Is for Children," "Eggshells," "Dolls and Guys," "Turnabout Is Fair Play," and "Touching Moments," "Splash," "Coming Around," "Birthday Girl," and "No Winter Lasts Forever."
Fandom: The Avengers
Characters: Phil Coulson, Clint Barton, Natasha Romanova, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Steve Rogers, Betty Ross, JARVIS, Bucky Barnes, Virginia "Pepper" Potts.
Medium: Fiction
Warnings: Inferences of past child abuse, mind control, and other torture. Current environment is supportive.
Summary: Bucky has a bad day when his memory won't boot up quite right. This makes other people stressed out too. Attempts to help are partially successful, but then the team dynamics go severely pear-shaped.
Notes: Asexual character (Clint). Aromantic character (Natasha). Asexual relationship. Sibling relationships. Fix-it. Teamwork. Vulgar language. Flangst. Hurt/Comfort. Fear of loss. Friendship. Confusion. Memory loss. Nonsexual ageplay. Making up for lost time. Tony!whump. Tony Stark has a heart. Tony doesn't like being handed things. Howard Stark's A+ parenting. Games. Trust issues. Safety and security. Artificial intelligence. Food issues. Multiplicity/Plurality. Non-sexual touching and intimacy. Yoga. Communication. Personal growth. Cooking. Americana. Family of choice. Feels. #coulsonlives.
Begin with Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7. Skip to Part 10, Part 11, Part 12, Part 13.
WARNING: This chapter features the big blowup. There is severe verbal abuse, vulgarity, a minor physical altercation, complicated and murky consent issues. It includes Bucky!whump and Tony!whump, and well, basically all the Avengers go whump! whump! whump! down the emotional staircase. If these are concerns for you, consider taking extra precautions; if you're in delicate space, consider waiting before you read this part. Things will get better later, of course, but this scene is the doooooom.
"Hide and Seek" Part 8
"Found him!" Bucky yelled. Phil whirled to see Bucky lifting Tony from a car. Relief flooded through him as he hurried toward them. "Tony got himself stuck in the trunk here and fell asleep."
"I was not stuck!" Tony said. He wormed his way free of Bucky's grasp and dropped to the ground. He stood stiffly out of reach. "There is no way to get stuck in the trunk of any car I own. They all have escape latches inside. Hidden tools, too."
Which Tony had added after an unpleasant kidnapping incident in his twenties; the phrasing and reference, coupled with the body language, meant that this was Tony Stark and not Tony Carter.
Relief turned to anger as Phil processed that Tony had carelessly fallen asleep and alarmed everyone for no good reason. He opened his mouth to start yelling -- then remembered Bruce, who was still clinging to him, and Tony, who did not need another round of verbal abuse. What they needed was a sense of safety even when things went wrong.
Phil closed his mouth, breathed slowly through his nose, and tried to dig up some patience. Game night is safe space. I need to keep my temper in check and --
"What were you thinking?" Bucky said, taking a step toward Tony.
"That it was a great hiding place, which it is," Tony said. He jerked his chin up and glared at Bucky. "What's the big deal?"
"You scared the crap out of us, you little punk!" Bucky snapped. He sounded like an irate teenager, age jinking upward in response to the stress.
Bruce flinched against Phil's side. "Bucky, that's not helping," Phil said. He tried to separate the two of them. "Calm down and let me deal with this."
"I ought to take a belt to you --" Bucky said, waving a hand at Tony.
"You fucking try it. I will break your arm too," Tony said coldly.
"No," Phil said in his firmest voice. Bruce skittered away. "No hitting."
"That's not hitting, it's perfectly ordinary punishment," Bucky scoffed. "He needs to show some respect --"
"Fuck you! You're not my father!" Tony screamed, shoving Bucky hard enough to rock him against the car.
That gave Phil a chance to wedge himself between them, but it was too late.
Just like that, Bruce was crying. Bucky was not only crying but would have run out of the room except for Phil's stern grip on him. Tony was furious and defensive, both hands held in front of himself. Phil didn't know which way to turn first.
Naturally that's when the rest of the Avengers poured into the garage to reassure themselves that Tony had been found safely. Black Widow demanded a situation report. Steve homed in on Bucky, who finally wrenched loose from Phil. Bucky buried his face in Steve's shoulder. Betty went to Bruce, only to find him skittish and resistant. She held off touching him and instead scowled at everyone. At least Hulk hadn't made an appearance. Amidst the uproar, Tony shook with tension.
"All right, who's the jerk that upset Bruce?" Hawkeye said.
"He is!" Tony and Bucky chorused, pointing at each other. That just set off another round of louder recriminations from everyone. No amount of calling for order helped.
Phil finally stalked to the wall of the garage and resorted to a last-ditch tactic for restoring peace.
"Hey! Why'd the lights go off? JARVIS!" Tony yelped.
"I turned them off," Phil said.
The ruckus gradually quieted down.
"Is anyone injured?" Phil asked, just to be safe.
A soft chorus of negatives sounded.
"Now, here's what is going to happen," Phil said as he turned the lights back on. "Tony, we're done playing hide and seek for tonight. Remove the block on your location so that JARVIS can find you."
Tony clapped his hands and said, "JARVIS, Daddy's home."
"It's good to have you back, sir," JARVIS replied, an edge in his voice. Tony's human family hadn't been the only ones worried about him.
"Are you just going to let him get away with --" Steve began.
"Stop," Phil said. "Everyone, just stop. We're all upset. Therefore now is not a good time to discuss what went wrong. We're going to go upstairs and watch something silly on television until we calm down. Then we'll go to bed. There will be time enough to deal with this tomorrow, with cooler heads."
Tony gave him a mulish look but said nothing. Hawkeye looked no better, and Black Widow was unreadable. Steve, still holding onto Bucky, was taut with anger. "Yes, sir," Steve said, biting off the ends of the words.
"Thank you," Phil said. Neither Bucky nor Bruce would meet Phil's eyes. Betty seemed calmer, though. "Bruce, are you settled enough to go with Betty, or do you still need me?"
"Betty," Bruce whispered. He moved close enough to clutch her tightly. Phil felt grateful that Bruce managed to hold onto his control, somehow -- or perhaps that Hulk trusted the team enough to let them handle the situation instead of bursting out to deal with it himself.
"All right then, I'll leave you to Betty while I stick with Tony," Phil said. Betty coaxed Bruce to the door. "Hawkeye, Black Widow, please go change clothes. I'll expect Clint and Natka in the common room shortly." They peeled off at once. Steve led Bucky out. Phil took Tony in hand.
"Let go," Tony said, twisting his wrist.
Phil moved with him to keep Tony from breaking the grip. "Tony, stop that," he said. "You dropped out of touch in a way that scared people, so I'm holding onto you for a while."
Dark, complex emotions roiled over Tony's face. Then they flowed away, leaving a mask almost as blank as Natasha's. "Whatever," Tony said.
"I know you're upset right now, because things went wrong and people hurt each other's feelings. You may not want to talk with me or be around me, but I'm too worried about you to let you run off alone," Phil said, watching carefully for a response. "I still care about you, even when you do troublesome things, and I'm here for you."
Tony just shrugged.
"Come with me," Phil said, and towed Tony back toward the common room.
* * *
Notes:
The ageplay goes to hash in this chapter, as several people lose their grip on their intended age and shift around. It doesn't help that even Tony's adult persona has some seriously childish traits. Under stress, people can have a hard time being consistent and focused about anything.
Recent cars must have an escape latch in the trunk. Older cars can be retrofitted with one. For the purpose of this series, I figure that Tony Stark was instrumental in those developments. There are tips for escaping from a car trunk and escaping from a kidnapper's car. Tony of course knows these too.
In this scene, Phil uses primarily assertive body language. Bucky's is more aggressive. Tony and Bruce are more defensive.
Everyone has to deal with rejection sometimes. There are tips on handling rejection yourself and helping a friend cope with it. Examples in this chapter include Tony pulling away from Bucky (which Bucky handles badly) and Bruce shying away from Betty (who is no more pleased, but responds better).
Naturally parents get angry with children sometimes. You can stop your anger from affecting your children and plan ahead for it. Learn how to get control of your emotions and how to handle your anger. There are tip sheets for anger management. If you stop yelling at your kids, you can learn some amazing things.
There are tips for kids too. Anger is an emotion that everyone needs to deal with in a healthy manner. Family fights can make this difficult. For healthy families, there are tips to tell your parents that you're angry with them or to get forgiveness after doing something stupid. For dysfunctional families, learn how to deal with mean parents, deal with a terrible dad, or cope with being unloved.
Adults can help children learn to manage their emotions and disagreements. Pay attention to levels and expressions of anger in children. Teach children to communicate. and work through conflicts. Some angry children may need extra help. Parents should follow rules for dealing with angry children, understand how to help them, and teach them to deal with anger.
Know how to calm down in a crisis. Breathing exercises may help. Phil and Bruce are particularly fond of that method.
Verbal abuse is also known as emotional or psychological abuse. It has recognizable characteristics and behaviors, so you can learn to identify it. Here are some examples and a checklist of signs. Ask yourself some important questions. Understand how verbal abuse affects children and what to do instead. Learn how to stop verbal abuse from both sides.
Emotional abuse in families may cause brain damage to children. Watch for signs of it. Witnessing verbal abuse between parents has a negative impact on children. Basically, children learn what they live; some learn to be mean, while others learn to be kind, depending on their environment. Think about what your children are learning from you. There are reasons why mean kids are so aggressive. Children can learn not to be cruel.
Verbal abuse hurts, and it can harm relationships with harsh words. There are things parents should never say to their children, things children should never say to their parents, and things nobody should say to anybody they care about.
Turning off the lights is a classic technique to quiet a classroom. It works on adults, if you are intending to imply that they are behaving like children.
Don't try to solve problems while you're angry. An upset person will not be able to think or communicate very clearly. When emotions run very high, it makes sense to wait for everyone to calm down before trying to figure out what went wrong and how to fix it. This is an important principle of emotional first aid: stop the damage from getting worse, then think about repairs. Understand what not to say and do.
There are several ways to break a wrist hold, including this video demonstration. Tony knows this stuff. So does Phil, hence his response of moving with Tony to avoid the escape. You can see that Phil's aim is not physical restraint but rather emotional control. Tony's acquiescence is grudging, but at least an improvement over the recent mayhem. Tony can't feel it right now, but he needs Uncle Phil to act as a brace so that he doesn't flop around out of control.
Emotional suppression happens when people feel threatened. It's important to become aware of emotional suppression and to access your feelings. Tony's primary mode is effusive emotional expression; he prefers to turn most things outward. But he also has a very secretive side, and that's what comes out the more insecure he feels. When Tony shuts down like this, it's a serious warning sign. He's in his own garage with people he knows and they were just doing ageplay, and he still feels so unsafe that he's stuffing his emotions in a can.
Emotional armor can be difficult to undo. It's a combination of physical and mental tension that forms in response to negative experiences, in an effort to protect the self from further damage. There are ways to clear the emotional blocks and let go of the armor. Phil and Tony will be working on this later in the story.
There are ways to calm and comfort an upset child. Adults should also understand what not to do.
Like most of the Avengers, sometimes Tony has problems with impaired consent. Here is a good discussion about the spectrum of consent. When possible, Phil provides support and helps people make good decisions. But he's not willing to stand by and let anyone make the kind of bad decisions that could hurt themselves or others -- which movie canon is full of, like Tony driving a car or flying the suit while drunk.
And who gets the gold star for doing all the right things in a crummy situation? Bruce-and-Hulk. They're able to express emotions without triggering an involuntary transformation or having any other kind of destructive outburst. Crying is okay. Crying after you've spent most of your life stuffing your emotions is actually an accomplishment! Bruce-and-Hulk seek reassurance from safe people, until their hypersensitivity spikes too much, and then they pull back. As soon as it goes down, they seek comfort again, and find it. Comfort-seeking is a sign of secure attachment, which is not how they started. This is hard to see through the smouldering haze of doom, and it doesn't feel good, but they actually did a great job.
[To be continued in Part 9 ...]
Fandom: The Avengers
Characters: Phil Coulson, Clint Barton, Natasha Romanova, Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Steve Rogers, Betty Ross, JARVIS, Bucky Barnes, Virginia "Pepper" Potts.
Medium: Fiction
Warnings: Inferences of past child abuse, mind control, and other torture. Current environment is supportive.
Summary: Bucky has a bad day when his memory won't boot up quite right. This makes other people stressed out too. Attempts to help are partially successful, but then the team dynamics go severely pear-shaped.
Notes: Asexual character (Clint). Aromantic character (Natasha). Asexual relationship. Sibling relationships. Fix-it. Teamwork. Vulgar language. Flangst. Hurt/Comfort. Fear of loss. Friendship. Confusion. Memory loss. Nonsexual ageplay. Making up for lost time. Tony!whump. Tony Stark has a heart. Tony doesn't like being handed things. Howard Stark's A+ parenting. Games. Trust issues. Safety and security. Artificial intelligence. Food issues. Multiplicity/Plurality. Non-sexual touching and intimacy. Yoga. Communication. Personal growth. Cooking. Americana. Family of choice. Feels. #coulsonlives.
Begin with Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4, Part 5, Part 6, Part 7. Skip to Part 10, Part 11, Part 12, Part 13.
WARNING: This chapter features the big blowup. There is severe verbal abuse, vulgarity, a minor physical altercation, complicated and murky consent issues. It includes Bucky!whump and Tony!whump, and well, basically all the Avengers go whump! whump! whump! down the emotional staircase. If these are concerns for you, consider taking extra precautions; if you're in delicate space, consider waiting before you read this part. Things will get better later, of course, but this scene is the doooooom.
"Hide and Seek" Part 8
"Found him!" Bucky yelled. Phil whirled to see Bucky lifting Tony from a car. Relief flooded through him as he hurried toward them. "Tony got himself stuck in the trunk here and fell asleep."
"I was not stuck!" Tony said. He wormed his way free of Bucky's grasp and dropped to the ground. He stood stiffly out of reach. "There is no way to get stuck in the trunk of any car I own. They all have escape latches inside. Hidden tools, too."
Which Tony had added after an unpleasant kidnapping incident in his twenties; the phrasing and reference, coupled with the body language, meant that this was Tony Stark and not Tony Carter.
Relief turned to anger as Phil processed that Tony had carelessly fallen asleep and alarmed everyone for no good reason. He opened his mouth to start yelling -- then remembered Bruce, who was still clinging to him, and Tony, who did not need another round of verbal abuse. What they needed was a sense of safety even when things went wrong.
Phil closed his mouth, breathed slowly through his nose, and tried to dig up some patience. Game night is safe space. I need to keep my temper in check and --
"What were you thinking?" Bucky said, taking a step toward Tony.
"That it was a great hiding place, which it is," Tony said. He jerked his chin up and glared at Bucky. "What's the big deal?"
"You scared the crap out of us, you little punk!" Bucky snapped. He sounded like an irate teenager, age jinking upward in response to the stress.
Bruce flinched against Phil's side. "Bucky, that's not helping," Phil said. He tried to separate the two of them. "Calm down and let me deal with this."
"I ought to take a belt to you --" Bucky said, waving a hand at Tony.
"You fucking try it. I will break your arm too," Tony said coldly.
"No," Phil said in his firmest voice. Bruce skittered away. "No hitting."
"That's not hitting, it's perfectly ordinary punishment," Bucky scoffed. "He needs to show some respect --"
"Fuck you! You're not my father!" Tony screamed, shoving Bucky hard enough to rock him against the car.
That gave Phil a chance to wedge himself between them, but it was too late.
Just like that, Bruce was crying. Bucky was not only crying but would have run out of the room except for Phil's stern grip on him. Tony was furious and defensive, both hands held in front of himself. Phil didn't know which way to turn first.
Naturally that's when the rest of the Avengers poured into the garage to reassure themselves that Tony had been found safely. Black Widow demanded a situation report. Steve homed in on Bucky, who finally wrenched loose from Phil. Bucky buried his face in Steve's shoulder. Betty went to Bruce, only to find him skittish and resistant. She held off touching him and instead scowled at everyone. At least Hulk hadn't made an appearance. Amidst the uproar, Tony shook with tension.
"All right, who's the jerk that upset Bruce?" Hawkeye said.
"He is!" Tony and Bucky chorused, pointing at each other. That just set off another round of louder recriminations from everyone. No amount of calling for order helped.
Phil finally stalked to the wall of the garage and resorted to a last-ditch tactic for restoring peace.
"Hey! Why'd the lights go off? JARVIS!" Tony yelped.
"I turned them off," Phil said.
The ruckus gradually quieted down.
"Is anyone injured?" Phil asked, just to be safe.
A soft chorus of negatives sounded.
"Now, here's what is going to happen," Phil said as he turned the lights back on. "Tony, we're done playing hide and seek for tonight. Remove the block on your location so that JARVIS can find you."
Tony clapped his hands and said, "JARVIS, Daddy's home."
"It's good to have you back, sir," JARVIS replied, an edge in his voice. Tony's human family hadn't been the only ones worried about him.
"Are you just going to let him get away with --" Steve began.
"Stop," Phil said. "Everyone, just stop. We're all upset. Therefore now is not a good time to discuss what went wrong. We're going to go upstairs and watch something silly on television until we calm down. Then we'll go to bed. There will be time enough to deal with this tomorrow, with cooler heads."
Tony gave him a mulish look but said nothing. Hawkeye looked no better, and Black Widow was unreadable. Steve, still holding onto Bucky, was taut with anger. "Yes, sir," Steve said, biting off the ends of the words.
"Thank you," Phil said. Neither Bucky nor Bruce would meet Phil's eyes. Betty seemed calmer, though. "Bruce, are you settled enough to go with Betty, or do you still need me?"
"Betty," Bruce whispered. He moved close enough to clutch her tightly. Phil felt grateful that Bruce managed to hold onto his control, somehow -- or perhaps that Hulk trusted the team enough to let them handle the situation instead of bursting out to deal with it himself.
"All right then, I'll leave you to Betty while I stick with Tony," Phil said. Betty coaxed Bruce to the door. "Hawkeye, Black Widow, please go change clothes. I'll expect Clint and Natka in the common room shortly." They peeled off at once. Steve led Bucky out. Phil took Tony in hand.
"Let go," Tony said, twisting his wrist.
Phil moved with him to keep Tony from breaking the grip. "Tony, stop that," he said. "You dropped out of touch in a way that scared people, so I'm holding onto you for a while."
Dark, complex emotions roiled over Tony's face. Then they flowed away, leaving a mask almost as blank as Natasha's. "Whatever," Tony said.
"I know you're upset right now, because things went wrong and people hurt each other's feelings. You may not want to talk with me or be around me, but I'm too worried about you to let you run off alone," Phil said, watching carefully for a response. "I still care about you, even when you do troublesome things, and I'm here for you."
Tony just shrugged.
"Come with me," Phil said, and towed Tony back toward the common room.
* * *
Notes:
The ageplay goes to hash in this chapter, as several people lose their grip on their intended age and shift around. It doesn't help that even Tony's adult persona has some seriously childish traits. Under stress, people can have a hard time being consistent and focused about anything.
Recent cars must have an escape latch in the trunk. Older cars can be retrofitted with one. For the purpose of this series, I figure that Tony Stark was instrumental in those developments. There are tips for escaping from a car trunk and escaping from a kidnapper's car. Tony of course knows these too.
In this scene, Phil uses primarily assertive body language. Bucky's is more aggressive. Tony and Bruce are more defensive.
Everyone has to deal with rejection sometimes. There are tips on handling rejection yourself and helping a friend cope with it. Examples in this chapter include Tony pulling away from Bucky (which Bucky handles badly) and Bruce shying away from Betty (who is no more pleased, but responds better).
Naturally parents get angry with children sometimes. You can stop your anger from affecting your children and plan ahead for it. Learn how to get control of your emotions and how to handle your anger. There are tip sheets for anger management. If you stop yelling at your kids, you can learn some amazing things.
There are tips for kids too. Anger is an emotion that everyone needs to deal with in a healthy manner. Family fights can make this difficult. For healthy families, there are tips to tell your parents that you're angry with them or to get forgiveness after doing something stupid. For dysfunctional families, learn how to deal with mean parents, deal with a terrible dad, or cope with being unloved.
Adults can help children learn to manage their emotions and disagreements. Pay attention to levels and expressions of anger in children. Teach children to communicate. and work through conflicts. Some angry children may need extra help. Parents should follow rules for dealing with angry children, understand how to help them, and teach them to deal with anger.
Know how to calm down in a crisis. Breathing exercises may help. Phil and Bruce are particularly fond of that method.
Verbal abuse is also known as emotional or psychological abuse. It has recognizable characteristics and behaviors, so you can learn to identify it. Here are some examples and a checklist of signs. Ask yourself some important questions. Understand how verbal abuse affects children and what to do instead. Learn how to stop verbal abuse from both sides.
Emotional abuse in families may cause brain damage to children. Watch for signs of it. Witnessing verbal abuse between parents has a negative impact on children. Basically, children learn what they live; some learn to be mean, while others learn to be kind, depending on their environment. Think about what your children are learning from you. There are reasons why mean kids are so aggressive. Children can learn not to be cruel.
Verbal abuse hurts, and it can harm relationships with harsh words. There are things parents should never say to their children, things children should never say to their parents, and things nobody should say to anybody they care about.
Turning off the lights is a classic technique to quiet a classroom. It works on adults, if you are intending to imply that they are behaving like children.
Don't try to solve problems while you're angry. An upset person will not be able to think or communicate very clearly. When emotions run very high, it makes sense to wait for everyone to calm down before trying to figure out what went wrong and how to fix it. This is an important principle of emotional first aid: stop the damage from getting worse, then think about repairs. Understand what not to say and do.
There are several ways to break a wrist hold, including this video demonstration. Tony knows this stuff. So does Phil, hence his response of moving with Tony to avoid the escape. You can see that Phil's aim is not physical restraint but rather emotional control. Tony's acquiescence is grudging, but at least an improvement over the recent mayhem. Tony can't feel it right now, but he needs Uncle Phil to act as a brace so that he doesn't flop around out of control.
Emotional suppression happens when people feel threatened. It's important to become aware of emotional suppression and to access your feelings. Tony's primary mode is effusive emotional expression; he prefers to turn most things outward. But he also has a very secretive side, and that's what comes out the more insecure he feels. When Tony shuts down like this, it's a serious warning sign. He's in his own garage with people he knows and they were just doing ageplay, and he still feels so unsafe that he's stuffing his emotions in a can.
Emotional armor can be difficult to undo. It's a combination of physical and mental tension that forms in response to negative experiences, in an effort to protect the self from further damage. There are ways to clear the emotional blocks and let go of the armor. Phil and Tony will be working on this later in the story.
There are ways to calm and comfort an upset child. Adults should also understand what not to do.
Like most of the Avengers, sometimes Tony has problems with impaired consent. Here is a good discussion about the spectrum of consent. When possible, Phil provides support and helps people make good decisions. But he's not willing to stand by and let anyone make the kind of bad decisions that could hurt themselves or others -- which movie canon is full of, like Tony driving a car or flying the suit while drunk.
And who gets the gold star for doing all the right things in a crummy situation? Bruce-and-Hulk. They're able to express emotions without triggering an involuntary transformation or having any other kind of destructive outburst. Crying is okay. Crying after you've spent most of your life stuffing your emotions is actually an accomplishment! Bruce-and-Hulk seek reassurance from safe people, until their hypersensitivity spikes too much, and then they pull back. As soon as it goes down, they seek comfort again, and find it. Comfort-seeking is a sign of secure attachment, which is not how they started. This is hard to see through the smouldering haze of doom, and it doesn't feel good, but they actually did a great job.
[To be continued in Part 9 ...]
Thoughts
Date: 2013-08-30 06:51 am (UTC)Shit. Obviously, we knew that Howard wasn't much of a parent, but I was holding out hope that it was "only" neglect/emotional abuse until the last few chapters. <<
I figure, most of the time Howard ignored Tony, but occasionally did other things -- a chaotic jumble of praise, condemnation, and drunken attacks. Not to mention going on and on about the virtues of Captain America and the importance of Stark Industries. Thing is, most drunks will hit at least sometimes ...
>> And while breaking someone's arm isn't exactly a healthy response, I'm still pleased to know that Tony got the chance to fight back. <<
... and eventually, a fair number of boys will hit back, usually in their teens. Consider that Tony's parents sent him off to college by himself in his mid-teens. This did not help him learn good life skills, but it did get him and Howard out of reach. Obviously they didn't want a child abuse scandal, so Howard could hardly admit what happened.
That's probably not the only time Tony has broken somebody's arm for assaulting him, either.
>> Lord, this really does manage to kick everyone in their respective issues, doesn't it? <<
It really does. This is about on par with what Tony and Steve did to each other when they first met. In some regards, Tony is like Clint: the target lights up and he takes the shot. He doesn't have a good enough brain-to-mouth filter to stop and think, "Wait, friendly fire isn't." That's what happened with Steve. With Bucky here, Tony was responding less to him as an individual and more to the inadvertent similarity to some of Tony's worst memories. Flashback-filtered conversation with Tony is like holding a match to a can of hairspray.
>> Poor Phil--I wouldn't even know where to start sorting it all out. <<
At this stage, Phil is pretty much focused on damage control. Figuring out what went wrong and how to fix it all will take a lot longer.
>> On the other hand, Tony and Bucky blaming each other for upsetting Bruce was kinda funny--it was such a brotherly way of fighting! I appreciated the lighter moment in the midst of all the dooooom. <<
*chuckle* Yeah, their age presentation was all over the place.
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2013-08-30 09:16 pm (UTC)Yeah, I started to put that together after I replied the first time. Good god, it's hard to decide whether getting sent away was better or worse for Tony.
And now I want to know how Howard covered up his broken arm. Lab accident, maybe? He had to come up with something for the press/board members/society people.
>>With Bucky here, Tony was responding less to him as an individual and more to the inadvertent similarity to some of Tony's worst memories. Flashback-filtered conversation with Tony is like holding a match to a can of hairspray.<<
...Yeah. In some ways, I find Tony harder to identify with than a lot of the other Avengers, but I can totally identify with this part. I have verbally slaughtered a couple friends over the years. Because I wasn't seeing them; I was rehearsing bad things from the past, and they just happened to be there. Tony's gonna feel like shit when he realizes he took the past out on Bucky. (Although being fair, Bucky was seriously out of line, too.)
Meg
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2013-08-30 09:39 pm (UTC)Yes. It got him out of a bad situation at home, which helped. But it put him into a challenging context with almost no coping skills, and the method of choice for many college students is getting drunk and/or getting laid. That part, not helping.
>> And now I want to know how Howard covered up his broken arm. Lab accident, maybe? He had to come up with something for the press/board members/society people. <<
Well, there are several options ...
* If it was a crack instead of a complete break, it would show on X-rays but not necessarily require a cast. So it wouldn't be obvious, and Howard has more than enough money for a private physician and silence.
* He could simply have holed up in his lab for a few weeks. I doubt that's unusual behavior for Howard. Go away, world, I'm doing important science shit down here.
* If he had engagements he wasn't willing to blow off, then yes, I'd expect lab accident as the cover story. That's also probably established behavior for Howard.
>> ...Yeah. In some ways, I find Tony harder to identify with than a lot of the other Avengers, <<
Most readers have their favorite character(s) and often one or more they don't relate to as much. That's okay. An ensemble cast means there's something for almost everyone to enjoy.
>> but I can totally identify with this part. I have verbally slaughtered a couple friends over the years. Because I wasn't seeing them; I was rehearsing bad things from the past, and they just happened to be there. <<
Yep, that's a thing that happens. It always sucks.
>>Tony's gonna feel like shit when he realizes he took the past out on Bucky.<<
Hoh yeah.
Tony wasn't thinking about Bucky in the sense of tailoring insults to him personally (unlike what happened with Steve on the Helicarrier). Tony was responding to Bucky's words, but far more focused on the past than the present, and wound up saying some things to Bucky that he would never have said with a clear head. But Tony's brain wasn't booted up at the time, so he didn't realize how much damage he was dishing out. When that finally sinks in, Tony will be crushed.
>> (Although being fair, Bucky was seriously out of line, too.) <<
Similarly, Bucky had no idea that he was hitting Tony square in the abuse issues, nor that discipline has changed a lot in 70 years. He's going to feel like shit when he realizes what he did to Tony, too.
The advantage to living with other damaged people is that folks often understand what it's like when somebody loses their shit, and they know how to respond and not take it too personally. The disadvantage is that sometimes people hit each other's buttons -- including ones they don't know about -- and trigger a cascade where a conflict spreads out to hit other folks in range. The initial scene with Bucky's memory shorting out on him was one such cascade, and the garage scene is another.
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2013-09-01 04:10 pm (UTC)As much into his cups as Howard could be in public, I doubt anyone would have wondered at him having a broken arm. They might have whispered about how much money it cost to keep someone from boasting/or the press digging into it.
Steve I think was a victim of Tony not granting him humanity, and treating him as a Symbol. Howard wouldn't have told Tony the things that made Steve Steve; I doubt Howard noticed most of them.
Actually, Tony's concept of Steve would have been very much like the overblown version prior to setting up for MCU. Almost like Jim Ellison "The lights are on but no ones home."
Re: Thoughts
Date: 2013-09-04 11:15 pm (UTC)That's likely true.
>> Steve I think was a victim of Tony not granting him humanity, and treating him as a Symbol. Howard wouldn't have told Tony the things that made Steve Steve; I doubt Howard noticed most of them. <<
Difference between icon and program, yes.